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ThePsyko wrote in alt.hackers.malicious on November 6, 2008 19:32 in
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> On 05 Nov 2008 I stormed the castle called alt.hackers.malicious and
> heard Baal cry out in
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>> Nym-Commands: -signsend -acksend
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>> ThePsyko wrote in alt.hackers.malicious on November 4, 2008 18:45 in
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>>>> So what U R saying is that pedo's can now with the click of a
>>>> single button when johney law is at the door prevent the law from
>>>> gaining proof of their dirty deeds
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>> This is errant nonsense. First off, you're assuming that the software
>> actually /works/ -- that is not yet in evidence.
>>
>> Second, there is no evidence (that I am aware of, at any rate) that
>> steganographic software has been used by anyone accused of a child
>> ****ography offence. Cryptography, yes--steganography, no.
>>
>> Third, and probably most im****tant, stego software is neither easy to
>> use, nor terribly practical--for one thing, for each illegal image
>> you wish to hide, you require a considerably larger legal image to
>> hide it in.
>>
>> Fourth, many steg'd images can be detected with appropriate image
>> analysis software, which is available to police.
>>
>> Finally, by the time the police knock on an alleged perp's door, they
>> usually /already/ have more than sufficient evidence with with to
>> convict them.
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>>> Which would be why he released it to the pedo groups first.
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>> Since when do demon.service, alt.sup****t.*****, rec.audio.opinion,
>> alt.activism.children, and can.general qualify as pedo groups?
>>
>> Psyko, even if your statement were correct, based on the reactions
>> I've seen, they're not touching it with a barge-pole (correctly,
>> IMO).
>>
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> I don't read any of those - but he "released" it in asbl on Oct 30th -
> 4 days prior to posting about it here which was my reference
If you read what I wrote above, you can see that while it /does/ have its
uses, for the most part, stego is not terribly practical particularly if
one considers its possible use in hiding illegal images. If one goes by
published accounts of pedophile apprehensions, the use of crypto is not
always in evidence, much less steganography.
The rationale underlying the use of stego is to hide even the /existence/
of communications between two or more parties. Given the limitations I've
listed above, it's use in hiding collections of illegal images is
completely
and totally impractical--that's why there is no evidence of its being used
in this manner. This software (assuming it works) is a solution to a
problem
that simply doesn't exist on a scale anywhere /near/ what the author is
claiming.
Within the last 3-5 years there was an academic paper the authors of which
examined upwards of two million images as shown on EBay. The authors
examined these for evidence of steganographically-hidden information, and
they found no evidence of this. The author of AntiSteg appears to be
operating under the assumption that the Internet is chock-a-block with
stego'd images carrying illegal information payloads, when there is
absolutely no evidence of this.
Frankly, from all appearances, he's just another purveyor of s****-oil.
Baal <Baal@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-- Juvenal, Satires, VI, 347. circa 128 AD
The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the
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of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of
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