"Smiler" <Smiler@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:
>"boboro**** of TOKUS" <satanservice.org@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> "Smiler" <Smiler@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:
>>>"boboro**** of TOKUS" <satanservice.org@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>> "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>Even if we eliminate all of those possibilities
>>>and any others, there is still no evidence,
>>>apart from the believer's say-so, that any god
>>>has had any effect.
>>
>> just like there's no evidence that anything had
>> the effect of causing the Big Bang, right.
>
>Correct. As yet, we don't know what caused it.
we don't know that it wasn't preceded.
we can barely fathom what this might mean.
>> <snip spell effects examination>
>
>Because you had no answer?
no, tangental. too many whacky analyses will just
distract from the initial queries. whole new
terminologies and standards emerge with occult
spell effects examinations. I have no interest
in such a thread in these forums.
>>>Is this any evidence that Jesus ever existed
>>>and was not just a made-up character?
>>
>> no, but made up chaeracters may somehow be
>> interacted with in mind. if they assume
>> actual differences of consciousness and
>> intelligence, knowledge, etc., then trying
>> to study gods is akin to studying psychology.
>
>At least we have evidence that the human mind
>exists to be studied.
correct! that's the first step. then we might
see ****tions or aspects of that mind to be
capable of being investigated also. if gods
are part of that expanse, then there's a
science on the rise.
>>>So why should we even consider looking at
>>>the soft sciences for evidence of god?
>>
>> for evidence of god peripheries and what i
>> call 'the god phenomenon'. if we can then
>> establish that they can obtain knowledge
>> from these gods that doesn't appear to be
>> resident to their own knowledge-base then
>> we might consider them to be comparable to
>> savants and wonder what their interior
>> process includes.
>How can we tell that this is an effect of any
>god
that completely depends on where you determine
that any god exists. first you would have to
find that a god is there (no parameters on what
that god might be). granted that it was interior
to another human being, then you can see what
the god is doing if it possesses the human being
and understand what the god is perceived to be
saying if they repeat this to the congregation
or write it down or something.
>and not someone 'pretending' or 'believing' that
>their non-existent god is affecting them?
interviews, good anthropological research.
this kind of observation is done all the time.
>Does a paranoid schizophrenic really hear
>god speaking to him, or is it his mental
>state (the voices in his head) that
>makes him believe that?
by definition the latter.
>>>What evidence, either direct or indirect,
>>>can they provide?
>>
>> recountings of their experiences with gods
>> and if possessed, showing us what the god
>> is like as through their person/body,
>
>But again I ask, how can we tell that this is
>an effect of any god
that entirely depends on what you are willing to
let be defined by "god". if you are measuring the
bodily changes in a person possessed by a god,
then you're doing something quite specific in
measuring god-related physiology, for instance.
>and not someone 'pretending' that their
>non-existent god is affecting them
interviews, observation of many different
kinds of priests, priestesses, and their
methods of possession and disposession.
the knowledge is there if you want it.
>or that they are an undiagnosed
>paranoid schizophrenic?
the character of their experience is the
primary indicator here, due to the fact
that being fearful is an essential aspect
such a condition. if they are especially
fearful when they talk about communicating
with their god, and they have a difficult
time functioning in the conventional
world without some kind of psych meds,
then it is likely better to seek a more
firmly-established priest/ess and cult
and persist until you discover otherwise
coherent, responsible individuals.
bobo
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