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Re: Unusual line of reasoning in Kant's response to the antinomy of free will

by chazwin <chazwyman@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Nov 12, 2007 at 12:54 AM

On Nov 9, 11:33 pm, Michael Gordge <mikegor...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Nov 10, 4:19 am, Scott H <zinites_p...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > In response to determinism, Kant explains how the antinomy of free
> > will arises from a misuse of reason:
>
> There's your problem there, you believe that Kant was trying to solve
> a problem, when in reality he was creating one from a faulty premise.
>
> There is matter and each entity of matter has a nature, the nature of
> an entity of matter is included in its identity, each entity of matter
> acts according to its nature, an entity of matter can not act in
> contradiction of its nature.

This makes you a Kantian. Kant was  died in the wool determinist too.
Kant was addressing age old philosophical problems. He was not
inventing them, nor was he trying to ignore them as you seem to love
to do.

>
> "Free will" is a man made concept, entities of matter act according to
> their nature, they dont have a choice, thats the simple beginning and
> the end of the story of matter.

Your argumentation is so tragically poor. I know what you are trying
to say. But calling "free-will" a man made concept is like calling a
Cerberus an animal. It fails to satisfy: all words are "animals" in
this sense. Determinism is also a "man-made concept" too. I think you
might need to say more to satisfy the problem of "free-will".


>
> NOTE man's choice is a Clayton's choice, he acts in contradiction of
> his nature at his peril e.g. as socialism is a testimony to.

You are completely contradicting yourself as usual. To be a
determinist is to accept that we cannot act against our nature, and
that everything we do, or have done, or will do is an expression of
our nature. We act as we are determined to act and that is an end of
it.
Once again, you show yourself to be full of contradictions.

Hint: try to learn the difference between contradictions and
consequences

Hint: look up determinism and nature.

>
> Michael Gordge
 




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Scott H <zinites_page@  2007-11-09 11:19:03 
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