On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:22:53 -0700, Immortalist
<reanimater_2000@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>On Sep 9, 9:32 pm, malen...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Sep 9, 8:55 pm, Immortalist <reanimater_2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> > On Sep 9, 8:42 pm, malen...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> > Would it be correct to say that the "objects" or lines, he was
talking
>> > about were really "representations" of sensations?
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>> No, just representations. When a geometer intends to draw his figures
>> on paper, he first envisions (intuits and imagines) them, he doesn't
>> first sense them as if they were sensations originating apart from
>> him.
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>If Kant holds that appearances are representations and representations
>are faculties ready to be imprinted upon, memories, and not hardwired
>representations, instincts, how much does memories of lines have a
>bearing on this first envisioning?
I don't know what you mean by 'first envisioning.'
>> There are as many types of representations as there are means by
>> which we can represent them. And the basic term for that means is
>> known as a "faculty."
>I think that Locke used that term 'faculty' as we now use the term
>'capacity.' There being a range of capacities which are more and less
>effected by events in the world (appearances vs categories
>[instincts]
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>My view goes farther than Kant was willing to go because of the
>boundries of his thesis, pure knowledge.
There is no "pure knowledge" before Kant. After the Deduction, such
"pure knowledge" became available to anybody in the form of the
Critique. Some philosophers thought they had advanced to pure
knowledge, but the section on the Dialectic proves otherwise. All
knowledge, to be counted as same, has to be rooted in a foundation of
pure apperception. Pure apperception is knowledge in that I know
myself to be a thinking being, and it is pure because it partakes of
no empirical content.
>> > Since (as Hume had noted) individual images are perfectly separable
as
>> > they occur within the sensory manifold, connections between them can
>> > be drawn only by the knowing subject, in which the principles of
>> > connection are to be found. As in mathematics, so in science the
>> > synthetic a priori judgments must derive from the structure of the
>> > understanding itself.
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>> >http://www.philosophypages.com/hy/5f.htm
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>> > REPRESENTATION [A320/B376] "There is no lack of terms suitable for
>> > each kind of representation...Their serial arrangement is as follows.
>> > The genus is representation in general (repreaesentatio). Subordinate
>> > to it stands representation with consciousness (perceptio}. A
>> > perception which relates solely to the subject as the modification of
>> > its state is sensation (sensatio), an objective perception is
>> > knowledge (cognitio). This is either intuition or concept (intuitus
>> > vel conceptus)". In addition to concepts, intuitions, sensations, and
>> > perceptions, Kant holds that appearances are representations. He
>> > maintains all judgments, and thus all acts of knowledge, involve the
>> > representations of representations. [Bxl] However, Kant also suggests
>> > that we are not only conscious of different types of representations;
>> > the Preface to B he asserts that "I am conscious of my existence in
>> > time...and this is more than to be conscious merely of my
>> > representation".
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>> We are also conscious of the fact of being conscious, and that is no
>> mere representation but the very heart of the Understanding itself.-
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>As people in a hierarchy, like the political structure of a nation/
>state, its all representations, self-awareness included.
>Representations in the brain stem and mid-brain are much more
>primitive than the outer cortex and these representations probably are
>the subjective feel of existence when active. Actually as Hume might
>agree about animal reasoning, if he knew of current research on the
>brain, that categories and all are probably in theprimitive brain.
>After all the coach of a team is still just a person as the team
>members are persons.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triune_brain
Self-awareness is no mere representation, or else demonstrate to me
how you would represent it.
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