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Re: Kant on human differences

by "Atalanta" <nofarcicalidiots@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sep 8, 2007 at 02:03 PM

"Malrassic Park" <Malenoid@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
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> On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:11:58 -0700, Scott H <zinites_page@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote:
>
>>Kant's Categorical Imperative is, "Act only on the maxim that can
>>become through your will a universal law of conduct." For example,
>>lying is wrong, because if everyone lied, it would defeat the very
>>purpose of trust.
>>
>>What if we based our maxims on something particular about one group of
>>people, such as race? My maxim would be, "If it happens that I am
>>white, then I may..." This appears to be a flaw in the Categorical
>>Imperative.
>
> In a way, your complaint is valid -- however, such loose ends were
> tied up in the Critique of Judgment.
>
> It may so happen that, according to Kant scholar Hannah Arendt, moral
> judgments are made only about individuals, moral maxims are designed
> with individuals in mind, because to view this from the viewpoint of
> collectives tends to invalidate one's capacity for making judgments.
> Because judgments only and always concern particulars, in this case,
> particular individuals, not vast, foggy groups of individuals viewed
> from some kind of a collective framework. The faculty of judgment
> works with sensibility via imagination, but one cannot imagine a
> collective. Or as Arendt might say, one cannot put one's feet into the
> shoes of a collective. That would be to try and divest oneself of the
> responsibility of judging individual worth. You cannot judge a
> collective, racially or otherwise. Whatever faculty you are using, it
> is not judgment, thus it is not moral judgment, not in the moral realm
> at all, but amoralist anti-judgment.

Great post.  Individuals alone have judgments - and consciousness.  "I" 
never stands for "my group" and "my group" doesn't think or have 
consciousness in the way that the word is typically used.

For group-think (or cor****ation-think) to be elevated to the level of 
"individual consciousness" is a huge error in ethical thinking, especially

if one wants to use maxims or Kant.
>
>>For a long time, I did not know how Kant would respond, until I read
>>this from an abridged translation about a kingdom of ends:
>>
>>"Laws determine certain ends as universal, and hence, *if abstraction
>>is made from the individual differences of rational beings* (my
>>emphasis) ... we get the idea of a complete totality of ends combined
>>in a system ... we are able to conceive of a kingdom of ends ..."
>>
>>Let's discuss this.
>>
>>First of all, it is not clear what Kant means. Second, it has been
>>said that genetic variety is im****tant for species survival. Third, we
>>know that normal rules of duty cannot apply to people with certain
>>disabilities. These are three problems that Kantians must face.
>
> If you don't understand what is meant by a Kingdom of Ends, then why
> must anybody face your challenging problems?
>
> --
> Yes, we speak English!
 




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Kant on human differences
Scott H <zinites_page@  2007-08-16 08:11:58 
Re: Kant on human differences
Malrassic Park <Maleno  2007-08-16 17:49:04 
Re: Kant on human differences
Scott H <zinites_page@  2007-08-19 13:46:32 
Re: Kant on human differences
Malrassic Park <Maleno  2007-08-19 10:58:55 
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"Atalanta" <  2007-09-08 14:03:57 
Re: Kant on human differences
Michael Gordge <mikego  2007-08-16 18:50:01 
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"Atalanta" <  2007-09-08 14:08:48 
Re: Kant on human differences
Michael Gordge <mikego  2007-08-16 18:55:24 
Re: Kant on human differences
Scott H <zinites_page@  2007-08-16 21:01:32 
Re: Kant on human differences
jos horikx <jhorikx@[E  2007-08-19 03:52:17 
Re: Kant on human differences
Michael Gordge <mikego  2007-08-19 05:03:25 
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Immortalist <reanimate  2007-08-16 21:27:52 
Re: Kant on human differences
"Atalanta" <  2007-09-08 14:13:23 
Re: Kant on human differences
Scott H <zinites_page@  2007-08-16 21:54:06 
Re: Kant on human differences
Malrassic Park <Maleno  2007-08-17 03:57:16 
Re: Kant on human differences
Scott H <zinites_page@  2007-08-19 17:21:02 
Re: Kant on human differences
Malrassic Park <Maleno  2007-08-19 11:53:12 
Re: Kant on human differences
Scott H <zinites_page@  2007-08-16 22:06:42 
Re: Kant on human differences
Michael Gordge <mikego  2007-08-16 23:42:09 
Re: Kant on human differences
jos horikx <jhorikx@[E  2007-08-17 00:12:51 
Re: Kant on human differences
jos horikx <jhorikx@[E  2007-08-19 11:22:45 
Re: Kant on human differences
Michael Gordge <mikego  2007-09-08 14:25:21 
Re: Kant on human differences
J. Horikx <jVERWIJDERD  2007-09-09 02:20:52 
Re: Kant on human differences
Michael Gordge <mikego  2007-08-17 01:11:25 
Re: Kant on human differences
Scott H <zinites_page@  2007-08-17 07:28:24 
Re: Kant on human differences
Malrassic Park <Maleno  2007-08-17 09:13:38 
Re: Kant on human differences
chazwin <chazwyman@[EM  2007-08-17 08:19:15 
Re: Kant on human differences
chazwin <chazwyman@[EM  2007-08-17 08:20:50 
Re: Kant on human differences
Scott H <zinites_page@  2007-08-17 08:28:40 
Re: Kant on human differences
jos horikx <jhorikx@[E  2007-08-18 01:03:01 
Re: Kant on human differences
Michael Gordge <mikego  2007-08-18 01:25:55 
Re: Kant on human differences
jos horikx <jhorikx@[E  2007-08-18 02:06:48 
Re: Kant on human differences
jos horikx <jhorikx@[E  2007-08-18 02:19:20 
Re: Kant on human differences
chazwin <chazwyman@[EM  2007-08-18 02:50:03 
Re: Kant on human differences
Michael Gordge <mikego  2007-08-18 03:00:33 
Re: Kant on human differences
Day Brown <daybrown@[E  2007-08-18 03:08:24 
Re: Kant on human differences
Michael Gordge <mikego  2007-08-18 03:31:53 
Re: Kant on human differences
jos horikx <jhorikx@[E  2007-08-18 03:42:43 
Re: Kant on human differences
Michael Gordge <mikego  2007-08-18 03:47:50 
Re: Kant on human differences
jos horikx <jhorikx@[E  2007-08-18 04:06:00 
Re: Kant on human differences
Michael Gordge <mikego  2007-08-18 04:24:54 
Re: Kant on human differences
jos horikx <jhorikx@[E  2007-08-18 04:49:56 
Re: Kant on human differences
Michael Gordge <mikego  2007-08-18 06:18:22 
Re: Kant on human differences
Scott H <zinites_page@  2007-08-18 08:51:48 
Re: Kant on human differences
Scott H <zinites_page@  2007-08-18 08:53:14 
Re: Kant on human differences
chazwin <chazwyman@[EM  2007-08-18 11:10:20 
Re: Kant on human differences
Malrassic Park <Maleno  2007-08-18 23:56:29 
Re: Kant on human differences
Scott H <zinites_page@  2007-08-18 16:37:23 
Re: Kant on human differences
Michael Gordge <mikego  2007-08-18 16:40:18 
Re: Kant on human differences
Michael Gordge <mikego  2007-09-08 15:01:50 
Re: Kant on human differences
Michael Gordge <mikego  2007-09-08 15:09:07 

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